@SixtySecondsOfHell said in #819:
> Except I didn't say that. I said women have that as an option and many prefer that to enduring the chess world themselves.
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> Forcing women into highly personal settings with a history of sexual harassment is never going to be an easy sell.
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> If you don't like what I write I dont' really care btw.
Alright. So now let’s talk about the situation where a woman would actually want to participate in a large chess tournament. Because she enjoys the game of chess. We are not “forcing” her. She wants to compete in a chess tournament. So do we agree that she should be enabled to join those tournaments, that there should be an environment where she doesn’t have to be afraid to be the target of sexual harassment? Even if that means that some men have to change their behavior? Because I read your messages more like statements that there is not much to do about the situation and that this woman should rather stay away from tournament chess because we cannot force men to show reasonable behavior.
Regardless of that, the option to give birth to a chess master rather than becoming a chess master herself is not an actual option. You are suggesting that she would not only give up her own ambitions in the game (which maybe someone out there would see as an acceptable alternative) but she would even project her own ambitions on her child (aka son in this logic) who might not even have any ambitions in chess. If you’d give that suggestion to your daughter not only would that make you a (potentially) terrible father, but also a terrible grandfather.
You could as well suggest as an “option” to that woman that instead of playing tournament chess she could professionalise in making chess-themed cakes. That’s as ridiculous as your “option”, but at least you don’t put a burden on her child, too.
It course you don’t care if I like what you write. But still you attempt to provide “options” to those who are affected by what this forum and blog post is about. Do you believe any of those see your suggested “options” as actual reasonable alternatives to playing chess in tournament settings?
> Except I didn't say that. I said women have that as an option and many prefer that to enduring the chess world themselves.
>
> Forcing women into highly personal settings with a history of sexual harassment is never going to be an easy sell.
>
> If you don't like what I write I dont' really care btw.
Alright. So now let’s talk about the situation where a woman would actually want to participate in a large chess tournament. Because she enjoys the game of chess. We are not “forcing” her. She wants to compete in a chess tournament. So do we agree that she should be enabled to join those tournaments, that there should be an environment where she doesn’t have to be afraid to be the target of sexual harassment? Even if that means that some men have to change their behavior? Because I read your messages more like statements that there is not much to do about the situation and that this woman should rather stay away from tournament chess because we cannot force men to show reasonable behavior.
Regardless of that, the option to give birth to a chess master rather than becoming a chess master herself is not an actual option. You are suggesting that she would not only give up her own ambitions in the game (which maybe someone out there would see as an acceptable alternative) but she would even project her own ambitions on her child (aka son in this logic) who might not even have any ambitions in chess. If you’d give that suggestion to your daughter not only would that make you a (potentially) terrible father, but also a terrible grandfather.
You could as well suggest as an “option” to that woman that instead of playing tournament chess she could professionalise in making chess-themed cakes. That’s as ridiculous as your “option”, but at least you don’t put a burden on her child, too.
It course you don’t care if I like what you write. But still you attempt to provide “options” to those who are affected by what this forum and blog post is about. Do you believe any of those see your suggested “options” as actual reasonable alternatives to playing chess in tournament settings?